Dear Masterbrainbytes

  • Dear Masterbrainbytes

    So to begin with I would like to say to my fellow users that you can hate me all you want for what I'm about to say/ask but it's time someone did it.

    Dear MBB I think it's time I got something off my chest, it's generally about the communication that is lacking and by that I mean lacking A LOT, I understand that you are busy working on your/our game but I still feel like you could've done a lot more to interact with your community and it wouldn't even have required you to spent more than 1-2 hours a week to do so. Next is the problem with EA getting delayed, it's not that I want to blame you for not being able to deliver it based on an estimated month because I wont, but I'll go into more details about all of this below, for now I just want to say that this is just me raising some concerns I have and that many others also have.

    Let's start out by talking about communication something that is lacking a lot as mentioned above I kinda get why you used to have a hard time communicating but only kinda understood because there was also a part of me that just went "Well it would only take them 15-30 once or twice a week to write up a short update and maybe attach an ingame image to it as well" and I have mentioned this several times on the forums so it's not really like I haven't tried to let you know how I felt about you communication, but fair enough you decided to focus on the developing the game rather than talking to your costumers and again I'm not trying to say that you did something wrong or demand that you should've done it differently I'm only saying that you should've communicated more. So you got yourselves a community manager and I was pretty excited about that, you know looking forward to more information etc but so far not much has changed, now I know that a CM has a lot more to do than just talking on the official forums but honestly 15 post in what 15 days that's not really what I expected but hopefully that will improve at some point.

    On to the EA it self, back in February on the 24th to be exact you released a short statement where you told us that due to complication you wouldn't be able to release the EA in march as planned and asked for a few more weeks now it's may 30th today which means it has been a bit over 13 weeks. When you asked for a few weeks I expected a release date in mid april maybe early may that would add 4-5 weeks to the schedule which in my part of the world kinda equals to a few weeks but 13 weeks is far from a few. I also know that around the beginning of april 6th nvidia released a driver that gave the C4 engine a graphical glitch that covers up about 50% of the screen(when I tested the driver I had to go back to 378.78 before it worked that driver was released on march 9th and 378.92 which had the same glitch as 381.xx was released on march 20th)and I totally get that such a problem is bad because no one wants to play a game where 50% of the screen is just one big graphical glitch but you should've to come forward as soon as the glitch appeared and told us about it and not wait a whole month before telling us. I understand that you just wanted to see if nvidia would be able to fix it quickly but still you should've just told us right then but you didn't.

    When you told us about the glitch you also told us that and I quote:
    " We work at full speed to fix this and have also contacted NVIDIA. The bug is a nuisance but you don’t need to worry. There is the possibility to either reset the driver to version 378.92 or we offer a NVIDIA-specific workaround in the engine. This however would take some time and is our last means of choice. We will keep you posted."
    So you told us about 3 possible ways to fix this, one is that nvidia fixes it, two is a rollback to a previous working driver and 3 is that you spent time on a fix. I have already voiced my opinion on what you should do and that is of course to push for the EA release in june and ask nvidia users to rollback to a previous driver and supply them with a tutorial(video and or text/image based)and I have also offered to help any users who wants help uninstalling their current driver and then installing the old driver, hell I'll even make the tutorial for you if that helps.

    To end this thread with(pretty sure I had more I wanted to talk about but I'll add that when I remember what it was) I just want to say to you @masterbrain that I understand that what you are trying to create here is something rather complicated and that set backs are inevitable but there is a lot of people here who has invested a lot of money in your game. I know some of you might say that we didn't invest any money and that we only paid for a game in advance but that's not how I look at it because without the money we invested this game wouldn't be possible and therefore I feel we have the right to know whats going on and you need to stay on top of your community and communicate with us! because if you don't then you might risk loosing costumers and they'll probably demand a refund and at this stage that is literally money out of your pocket money that could help keep you afloat.

    This shows you how much money each pledge has earned so far and how many people it took to get that amount:
    1 person plegded €3333, 4 people plegded €3996,
    12 people plegded €9324, 3 people plegded €1998,
    4 people plegded €796, 157 people plegded €15543,
    671 people plegded €66429, 500 people plegded €29500,
    1108 people plegded €60940, 1800 people plegded €79200,
    1613 people plegded €53229, 3010 people plegded €81270,
    149 people plegded €3278, 14 people plegded €154,
    and 32 people plegded €192

    That's a lot of people and a lot of money and I'm pretty sure many of them are looking for answers and I suggest you start telling them what's going on because at some point people will stop caring about CnC and that something I don't want to happen and that is why I created this thread.

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  • I agree, the forum need an active community manager to answer questions, interact, make mysterious reveals bit by bit to tingle our expectations.
    I for one would love for you guys to take on questions and perhaps have a weekly, if not daily routine of answering X amount of questions.

    Perhaps set a theme. One week you collect questions regarding vehicles. The next week about modding. The week after that about customizing vehicles and equipment and so on. Something for the community to engage and invest time and peak the interest about the game!

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  • and of course mbb released a new update 20 minutes after I posted my thread xD but my point is still valid imo ;) also good to hear nvidia fixed the problem. I'm guessing they still got a problem with the demo version of terathons engine though because it still got that horrible glitch

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  • Communication is key.

    As @OlaHaldor said it would be nice to have back on forth discussions.

    What about a weekly questions thread with a theme where MBB could answer questions we may have about a certain weekly subject.

    I think at the moment it's all about the hype train.

    As a bit of a terrible analogy let's say we are all hyped for the EA and are all aboard the hype train but the train trip is starting to drag on a bit and the train driver or manager isn't updating us with any news about why the train is going slow or why the train trip is taking an extra few hours.

    Slowly but surely people are going to start getting a bit annoyed and are going to voice their opinions (as @Jeytav has) and eventually they might even want to get off the hype train.

    For me I'm still sitting quietly on the hype train hoping it doesn't derail or the passengers don't start an uprising.

    (This was fun to write being a Train Driver myself)

    All aboard the hype train?? I'll drive :thumbsup:

  • @mmmBetty awesome analogy, a nice way to put it. It is just like a loong train ride but the food cart doesn't make it's way down the train often enough which is causing starvation amongst the passengers which can lead to passengers getting mad and annoyed. The proper way would be to sent the food cart down the train often enough so people can get snacks so they don't starve and then every now and then make a complete stop at a train station so people can get out and stretch their legs and get some proper food before getting back on the train to continue on their long journey.

    Translated into english:

    Keep people fed with bits of info throughout the week and then every now and then give them a bigish update where you talk about more in depth stuff, maybe show some images and or a ingame footage.

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  • Finnaly the truth has been spoken. I must sadly agree with all the listed facts from @Jeytav. Lack of comunication is really something to be concern about. Maybe if they would explain what is their PR theory I would understand, but that with all the silence I dont get it, really.

    About the hype train: Train should be with every day bigger and bigger, but unfortunately its every day smaller and smaller. And that is not a good sign for the future of the game.

    I really hope the community will get bigger after EA.
  • As a fellow dev, I'll have to chime in here a bit.

    I. I know you've all probably heard it a thousand times, but creating software is really complex in a lot of ways. Even the tiniest of bugs can take literal weeks to track down and squash/work around. This is what makes programming so unpredictable. As with my own projects I'm sure that MBB will let you know about the release date of the EA version as soon as they know it themselves.

    II. Setting up a business isn't something trivial. You have to actually register your company, draft up contracts for your employees, register said employees with the state. This can eat up quite a lot of hours.

    III. Regarding the communication: It's a learning process. You can't expect what essentially is a team of modders (now offense guys, I've got mad respect for you) to get everything right a the very beginning. They've realised that they need a link between the team and us as a community and hired a CM as a result. But breaking someone in does take time. I'm sure updates will be much more frequent in the coming weeks with the EA RC getting ready for the release.

    And just btw, I've worked on a lot of different projects in the past. From games that had basically no dev/user communication to games that had daily devlogs available and live programming streams on the weekends (I never got the appeal of those, coding really isn't exciting).
  • DrPhibes wrote:

    As a fellow dev, I'll have to chime in here a bit.

    I. I know you've all probably heard it a thousand times, but creating software is really complex in a lot of ways. Even the tiniest of bugs can take literal weeks to track down and squash/work around. This is what makes programming so unpredictable. As with my own projects I'm sure that MBB will let you know about the release date of the EA version as soon as they know it themselves.

    II. Setting up a business isn't something trivial. You have to actually register your company, draft up contracts for your employees, register said employees with the state. This can eat up quite a lot of hours.

    III. Regarding the communication: It's a learning process. You can't expect what essentially is a team of modders (now offense guys, I've got mad respect for you) to get everything right a the very beginning. They've realised that they need a link between the team and us as a community and hired a CM as a result. But breaking someone in does take time. I'm sure updates will be much more frequent in the coming weeks with the EA RC getting ready for the release.

    And just btw, I've worked on a lot of different projects in the past. From games that had basically no dev/user communication to games that had daily devlogs available and live programming streams on the weekends (I never got the appeal of those, coding really isn't exciting).
    I. No one has argued it is easy.

    II. No one argued this point either.

    III. The community has been screaming for more communication for months now. Myself and others have even explained in detail why it's especially important when you are running your project on pledged money and you have to delay it. It's a HUGE difference if you have a publisher who gives you money to develop a project, then you are only obligated to the publisher. When you ask the community for money, then you are obligated to the community. The addition of a CM hasen't really done much, 14-15 posts in two weeks (counting both the German and International forums, which further means some of the posts are the same message.) is not much. All people are asking for is to be kept in the loop and not weeks of silence. It's not a lot, no one is asking for big updates or live streams, just a little presence from the team, that it. Even if you are unexperienced it shouldn't be that hard to understand or even deliver on.

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  • Can't believe I've been away for over a months and nothing has changed aside from today's announcement and a new community manager. I personally view us backers as investors in YOUR company MBB. A company is suppose to report regularly (>weekly) to its shareholders with one big update every quarter. Investors also have a right to know what the company is doing with THEIR money. Failing to update your investors makes me want to sell my shares and get out, because I have no idea what the company is doing. I assume you are working hard every day tracking down bugs, but that is only an assumption because you have grossly failed to keep you investors updated. And I don't mean weekly updates of "we're tracing bugs." I want some details like: what kind of bug, what it effects, how it happens, and what you are doing to fix it. Your whole weekly update could easily give us a clear picture in 3-5 sentences. Communication is key to keeping your shareholders happy. I'm not mad that the EA is delayed. I'm upset at the lack of communication, leaving me to assume many things and seriously questions MBB's competency.

    And just as a general observation from doing business with people all over the globe. It has been my experience that German's do great work, but they seriously lack communication (hey I'm German and people frequently tell me the same thing). Please don't perpetuate stereotypes MBB.

    I'm not trying to be mean or aggressive towards MBB, I'm just trying to get a clear message across about how many of their supporters feel living in the dark.
  • Opelman wrote:

    u just bought work in proggress game. U are not any shareholders or investor. Just paying customer. So simple.
    That's not correct: A costumer buys a finished product. Investors invest in unfinished products that needs capital to get finished. The investors then expects a product return for the money they've spend on the product, in this specific case: A game. In the development process the investors should be keep in the loop to make them feel sure their investment is a good one and to make sure they don't pull out the money they have invested.

    You right it's very simple: Keep the investors happy by informing them of the process. In every development process there will be obstacles or even delays. That is to be expected, but when they happen. It is very important to ensure the investors that their investment is not wasted, by letting them know what is going on and what obstacles causes the delay.

    No investor in their right mind would blindly invest in something without asking for some kind of insurance that their investment is not wasted.
  • customers don't just buy "finished product", customers can also order things which by definition are incomplete to be delivered at a later date.

    e.g. if I order and pay for a specialist machine with a 3 to 6 month lead-time, that doesn't make me an investor with a right to dictate terms outside the scope of sale.

    or when I paid for FS17 in June 2016 that didn't make me an investor in Giants.

    I don't recall this product being sold as an "investment" as would be regulated by financial service authorities, and there is not the expectation to get a financial return based on profits, or implication as a group to dictate terms based on our cumulative % input, our expectation is we may get a game and possibly 1 or more DLC consummate with the price we paid.

    just because e.g. RSI (Star Citizen) or SMS (Project Cars) do/did it one way doesn't dictate that MBB has to do it the same, we have an approximation for EA date, and really up to this stage there has been no need for them to post more than every 1 or 2 weeks with the other little changes they do on the road map etc, and in May we got 5 news posts, yet to some this is not enough......
  • b101uk wrote:

    customers don't just buy "finished product", customers can also order things which by definition are incomplete to be delivered at a later date.

    e.g. if I order and pay for a specialist machine with a 3 to 6 month lead-time, that doesn't make me an investor with a right to dictate terms outside the scope of sale.

    or when I paid for FS17 in June 2016 that didn't make me an investor in Giants.

    I don't recall this product being sold as an "investment" as would be regulated by financial service authorities, and there is not the expectation to get a financial return based on profits, or implication as a group to dictate terms based on our cumulative % input, our expectation is we may get a game and possibly 1 or more DLC consummate with the price we paid.

    just because e.g. RSI (Star Citizen) or SMS (Project Cars) do/did it one way doesn't dictate that MBB has to do it the same, we have an approximation for EA date, and really up to this stage there has been no need for them to post more than every 1 or 2 weeks with the other little changes they do on the road map etc, and in May we got 5 news posts, yet to some this is not enough......
    The specialist machine argument doesn't hold up.

    Let's say you are a dentist who need a custom made tool for your dental work on lions. You then contact a producer of dental tools and ask them if they can make this tool for you. They say "yes, we can it will take us 3 months". After 3 months they deliver your tool, you pay them and everything is fine. What MBB does is they come to you. You have never heard of them before and they tell you they can make custom tools for you. They don't have any money so you have to pay them before they deliver any product to you. They have never made such a tool before, though they have been tinkering about in the their garage for fun up until now. If you decide give them money, you will get a discount and you get to help them out testing the tools. This is basically an investment you make based on good faith and because you think their designs are cool and by the looks of it way better that what the established producers make. After 3 months they tell you it will be delayed and they then stay silent for a long while. A seed of distrust is sown. They then make a total of 8 updates over 3 months since the initial announcement of the delay and between the updates only silence. The seed grows and when they finally start updating regularly, the seed to distrust had spurred anxiety that your money might be wasted and you can't let go of that feeling, because the stories of producers screwing the people who put their money into them are plentiful.

    As for the Star Citizen/Project Cars comparison. No one has made that argument. The only comparison I've seen to SC is as a frighten example of bad communication.

    The fifth post was posted literally minutes after this was posted, before that we had almost two weeks of silence, even the community manager has been quiet. Almost two weeks of silence is not good if you have a delayed project and people are getting anxious. All this could have been avoided by being more communicative on what was going on. Lack of communication fosters distrust and that can be a poison to a community.

    That being said, 5 posts are good. We got a date for the servertest and that might ease the tension a little for now.

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  • Opelman wrote:

    u just bought work in proggress game. U are not any shareholders or investor. Just paying customer. So simple.
    Man it's hard to respond to this without typing out a few thousand words.

    If MBB had some big inverstors that made sure they had all the money they needed to finish the game and I then pre-purchased the game then I wouldn't care about how often they gave us updates for the release, BUT mbb does not have a big investor, they have their own hard earned money and now us and we are doing what an investor would do, we invest our money so they can finish the game and in return we ask for a copy of the game, if you invested more money you get more but you are also risking more money and because we are buying product because it needed out money to finish it then I would say that we deserve to be treated better.

    @b101uk if I want to order a custom tool I would go to a company that specializes in making custom tools, I tell them what it needs to look like and how it would function and give them some sketches how it looks and they'll calculate the cost and they will then give me a price and an eta on when it will be ready and once I have transferred the money they being working on it.
    What mbb is doing is they are coming to and are saying "hey we have this idea that we want to create but we don't have enough money to do it so would you like to buy and invest in it and in return get a copy of it" in this case it's the custom tool maker that comes and ask costumers if they want to fund this project and in exchange get a copy of said tool if and when it's ready. The customers are now risking their money and they would definitely demand to be kept up to date on the progress so they know how their money is spent and how the current schedule looks like

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  • Many things were written, so it's not neccesary to write the same. I agree with Jeytav's statement, and also b101uk's opinion should be taken into account.
    Let's get away speculations / arguing about financing and let's conform that informations are needed. Someone is satisfied with current system of informing us, someone isn't.
    I think we are unable to force MBB to make some changes in this topic at all cost, but we should hope that something can change after this statements.
    We don't actually know what is background of information lacking. Hard to say if MBB would like to explain it.
    I think in my mind that MBB may be afraid of saying all details. Let's say (it's just a thought) they are solving many things (I don't know finishing models, map, scripts, catching bugs, etc). They realises that time is running and they can't move from point and maybe they're freezing a little in panic. And there could be a fear to say again, we must move the release, due to community growing anger. So better say nothing. Maybe it's wrong meaning and please take it just as my opinion. I don't want to incite others or cause panic.
    They would prevent those meanings by better information. We should calm down and be still patient. I'm sure it will be ready soon.

    My idea is, that MBB could create special topic (if possible - CM should manage it) in News and announcments folder, named for example "Continuous information about development" and leave it locked (to prevent replying - it would be just informative thread). And set some period of informing, for example each friday (once it looks it will be every friday, but finally it was just random arrival of info two fridays in succesion) some short brief info what happend during a week.
    There is the question if MBB would like to manage this way, because Johndeere167 wrote the request for little bit more detailed descriptions of advance.
    What I mean is, that some descriptions might seem ununderstable for those who doesn't understand programing etc. There is of course a lot of opinions for this topic, so they will never comply to all.

    I can say, that I'll wait untill game is done, I'm never going to ask for refunding. We'll see what this topic calls out.


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  • I'm not sure if i would be panicking just yet, they are a very small development team and honestly i believe they might of bit more then they could chew in terms of promises and features. They said in a recent game play video their trying to get the alpha out for June, also if you read the alpha delay news post they said their would be an announcement 2 weeks before the release date. Theoretically if it were to come out in June we should be getting an announcement of the release date in the next 2 weeks. If not then the game is delayed into July then as a community we should be understandable be mad.
  • I too have asked for MBB to improve their comms in my previous posts and feedback.

    The OP was a long post to read. :P
    For a 'message' that was delivered already in the opening paragraph, my take on it is, that it's length is an expression of frustration. (am I right?)
    It is therefore not difficult for me to go along with the broad message in the OP. Fair play.

    To be fair here, at least for me, it's not that MBB have not communicated. Rather the style and 'quantity' of their comms is falling short of what I hoped for.
    MBB's quality is high when they communicate. that is not in question. It's frequency or quantity in question.

    We have a roadmap and the provision of a community manager who is getting up to speed. All progressive stuff.
    MBB may well say that they have reacted to the community calling for more information. I think they have.

    I also think that, we as a community ( perhaps in an unconscious yet collective way), what we expect is not what we feel we are receiving.
    We may expect a regular text update with a pictures ... what we a receiving are regular roadmaps updates but not the article items to read and digest and pull apart and discuss.

    MBB's way of communicating has included articles and pictures in past so they can do it.


    As the EA new .... June to me means best case 30th June .... if I allow myself to expect earlier, I will be disappointed.

    To MBB, this last line frustrates the hell out of me ! Please do something about it.

    S!


    P.S. Just saw this ...



    ChiloopaBatman wrote:

    @Memphis this would be a good time and place for a community manager to weigh in and manage the community. Just to put out the embers before they turn into a fire.


    There's no embers burning here ..... no need for the community manager to do any fire fighting, preventative or otherwise.

    Why the worry?
    Go Handy & Give 'er Lolly

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  • There are embers, people are starting to express negative thoughts. That's the embers I'm talking about. A thread like this is an ember. The fact that we even discuss this is an ember. Focus has shifted from the game and that's when you need to step in.

    The point of having a CM is for the company to have a presence in community. but when the CM is nowhere to be found, what's the point in having?

    I agree that it has been quality communication, but I think some more quantity communication is needed too, to build a bond between MBB and the community. That bond is only build with communication (do I sound like a phone commercial? haha).

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  • I'm not shy on calling fire but this community has rarely flared (actually not sure it really ever has) .... hence my reply.

    I appreciate your point of view though ...

    I'm a less is more kinda fella I suppose but the less has be on the mark ...

    The OP calls out the communication issue and this thread has stuck to that theme well.
    Let's hope Memphis is presently in discussions with the MBB team on this topic of comms (not necessarily only this thread) and we'll hear from him soon ....

    ChiloopaBatman wrote:

    ............ That bond is only build with communication (do I sound like a phone commercial? haha).
    Genuinely ... 100% agree (even with a 't' wink wink)
    Humorously ...it is more like some corporate 'team building' slogan .... wants ya to reach for refuse can and barf ....... LOL ....
    Go Handy & Give 'er Lolly
  • JackWall wrote:

    I'm a less is more kinda fella I suppose but the less has be on the mark ...

    -----

    Genuinely ... 100% agree (even with a 't' wink wink)
    Humorously ...it is more like some corporate 'team building' slogan .... wants ya to reach for refuse can and barf ....... LOL ....
    This is actually a very important thing to understand and identify when communicating. Some people need more others don't. You don't and that's great :) The whole idea of communicating more though is to make everyone feel safe, because if you communicate more you reach everyone. You might not need, but it won't hurt you either and the uneasy ones will be made feeling safe and in good hands. Everybody wins :)

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    To that second part: LOL!!! I have the best pictures in my head right now, haha.
  • brandonb21 wrote:

    I'm not sure if i would be panicking just yet, they are a very small development team and honestly i believe they might of bit more then they could chew in terms of promises and features. They said in a recent game play video their trying to get the alpha out for June, also if you read the alpha delay news post they said their would be an announcement 2 weeks before the release date. Theoretically if it were to come out in June we should be getting an announcement of the release date in the next 2 weeks. If not then the game is delayed into July then as a community we should be understandable be mad.
    Honestly, i have already said to my self that if we do not get a news message with a release date before June 30th then I'll just ask for a full refund. It's not that I don't want this game and support this game, it's just that I could use those 100 euro in other places for things like food, paying for my insurance, buying whatever new game bethesda is about to release

    ChiloopaBatman wrote:

    @Memphis this would be a good time and place for a community manager to weigh in and manage the community. Just to put out the embers before they turn into a fire.
    Too late, I used wildfire to set this on fire, you can't put it out. mwuahhahahahahahaha

    @JackWall I wouldn't say it was made out of frustration it's more just for me to voice my opinion so far.

    I would also like to thank all of you for keeping this thread a friendly discussion. It means a lot to me based on previous experience on other forums

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  • @masterbrain was just online and their last activity was reading this thread, so let's see if they listened to our frustrations.

    @Memphis has also been online for some time now but with no comment for us.


    Edit: If the EA has not been released by end of august, then I will seriously consider pulling my funds. That's 30 € I could spend on something more tangible and satisfying. I do not want to do this, but after 5+ months of delay it would be hard to continue supporting CNC.

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  • Johndeere167 wrote:

    @masterbrain was just online and their last activity was reading this thread, so let's see if they listened to our frustrations.

    @Memphis has also been online for some time now but with no comment for us.


    Edit: If the EA has not been released by end of august, then I will seriously consider pulling my funds. That's 30 € I could spend on something more tangible and satisfying. I do not want to do this, but after 5+ months of delay it would be hard to continue supporting CNC.
    Not that I don't understand your disappointment or anything, but if you look at other successful games on Kickstarter you start to see a pattern. So far, I've only supported a handful of other games and every project experienced delays ranging from a few months to years. But as of now every game turned out to be fantastic.

    That's why basically every team brings up the possibility of delays in the "Risks and challenges" section.
  • So now that I know that the devs and the cm have read this thread I'll make a suggestion.

    @Memphis If you are up to it and if @masterbrain is willing to then how about opening a new thread in the News & Announcements called "weekly dev update -week number-" where you basically tell us what you have been working on this past week and what you expect to work on in the coming week. then maybe add screenshot from the game showing off a feature or a machine or something else and nothing else but that just those things.

    So for an example:

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Weekly dev update - Week 22"

    This week we have been working on the script for the telehandler and we have now been able to get it to drive forwards and back. We also continued work on the dynamic fill planes and it is almost ready - It is now at 65%.
    Besides that we have also been working on the map by adding some minor details to it to make it feel more immersive.

    The coming week we will continue working on the telehandler and the dynamic fill planes and are hoping to get the fill planes to 70% by the end of that week. We will also start working on the seed bed preparation tutorial and the advanced plant growth module.

    Lastly we want to share our weekly screenshot(s)


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    and that's it, it shouldn't take to long to make, took me 5 minutes to type the text and insert the image. all you need to do it tell the devs to tell you what they have been working on and if there has been enough progress to update the roadmap, and what they are planning to work in the coming week. They'll sent info to you say each friday at noon, you then take that info and compress it down into a short update like the one above then you head the game and take a picture of something, if something has just been finished and is visible in the game then take a picture of that. Then all you have to do is go to the forum create a new thread give the proper headline like above and then copy pasta what you have made into it and hit "Submit" and that's that, you are communicating more with your community.

    This is as I said just and example but something tells me that making an example might be a good idea so you can see what it is I have been missing and is looking for and also to show you that I'm not just another user who just vents and then leaves it at that.

    On a final note I would like to just say that I kinda expect some kind of a response soon, can't just leave me and the other peeps in this thread hanging ;)

    EDIT: Or you could just assign me the role of junior community manager and then I'll do it for you :P
    EDIT 2: It would be volunteer work of course ;)

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  • DrPhibes wrote:

    Johndeere167 wrote:

    @masterbrain was just online and their last activity was reading this thread, so let's see if they listened to our frustrations.

    @Memphis has also been online for some time now but with no comment for us.


    Edit: If the EA has not been released by end of august, then I will seriously consider pulling my funds. That's 30 € I could spend on something more tangible and satisfying. I do not want to do this, but after 5+ months of delay it would be hard to continue supporting CNC.
    Not that I don't understand your disappointment or anything, but if you look at other successful games on Kickstarter you start to see a pattern. So far, I've only supported a handful of other games and every project experienced delays ranging from a few months to years. But as of now every game turned out to be fantastic.
    That's why basically every team brings up the possibility of delays in the "Risks and challenges" section.

    This is the third game I've supported. In the past I supported a train simulator game where it turned out the devs had no idea what they were doing and it took over a year and some threats of lawsuits to get my money back. I also supported Spintires, and if you know the story than you know how well that turned out (devs could not deliver on their promises after almost a decade of development by my math). So I've been burned twice now, which I feel gives me the right to be more than concerned about CnC's development and what is being done with my money. I almost did not support this project because of my past experience. I know game development is hard and unpredictable (I've done it). If MBB would have been more than forthcoming with information about delays and progress, then we would not be having this conversation. I hope this will not turn into another Spintires (stuck in years of silent development and in the end was never finished), because I'm getting that feeling all over again.
  • The way i see it is if you rewind a few months back, up untill we had a CM introduced updates were scarce. Correct me if I'm wrong but do people not agree that in these more recent weeks/month since the arrival of CM that we have received a few more updates etc compared to before
    Patience is required with a project like this, and I'm sure we can all agree deep down we know this game is coming, look how long we've waited (couple years) since C&C was first mentioned, these next few weeks will be a walk in the park

    I've been involved in a similar project before and comparing the updates from C&C to what I experienced before It makes C&C updates seem quite regular

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  • Well we have only had a CM for 2 weeks and not much has changed since he came a board so far, Yes we are getting more info than 12 months ago but but so far we are looking at 10 news updates since January that's one every fortnight. one of them was a aprils fool so that puts it down to 9 and the other just told us that backers can create forum accounts that brings it down to 8 in 5 months, we got 2 videos within 3 days a 2 weeks ago but we onl got the second one because they added manual attaching, it was awesome to see but if people hadn't complained about the lack of manual attaching then we would only be at 7 news articles in 5 months which means we are getting close to and average of 1 pr month

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  • Not to mention that this latest update is pretty much a none-update since we already know it was coming and what it would contain. They do put a little note in telling us what they are doing and that's great and all, but at least give ud something to look at. Some new 3D models, pics from the map ect. But most of all, some kind of stability would be great. I've said this many times. Make an update every friday with a little goody and an update on the progress and everyone is happy.